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not even close :roll:

they gave their belongings and sold properties

it was not taken away

Acts 2:45 New International Version (NIV)
45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

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but the bible does teach work = money

it does teach generosity

it was a thing of beauty

but even the early church stopped sharing, perhaps when christians were persecuted and had to flee

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Socialism is sharing for the greater good. If you think the essential message from god that those who dont share are going to have a tougher time getting into heaven than those who do.....with the alternative being hell, rape, torture and god only knows what else....isnt the fundamentals of socialism ..then you are just twisting the word to suit your interests....which most christians do anyway....im a hella sinner..but ill never twist the word to justify my shit...thats pathetic.

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

+++try to keep personal attacks out of it, i will ignore it because it's better to make a point and back it up with the bible

Socialism is sharing for the greater good.

+++sharing lol government controled taxing at best,

If you think the essential message from god that those who dont share are going to have a tougher time getting into heaven than those who do.....with the alternative being hell, rape, torture and god only knows what else....isnt the fundamentals of socialism ..then you are just twisting the word to suit your interests....which most christians do anyway....im a hella sinner..but ill never twist the word to justify my shit...thats pathetic.

+++i think you have things mixed up here

salvation is free, just like the thief on the cross, all he did was observe Jesus as Lord and savior and he got in

for those who profess christianity , sharing should be done, but within the church, not a government that imposes it's form of socialism. and of course the people who get hurt are the little people , like cuba, like venezuela and other places, even russia had a hard time there and they have abandoned socialism and so has china to a certain degree. socialism doesn't work, never has worked, never will work! oh it sounds nice but the pragmatic day to day living just makes socialism a dead end.

now the bible never teaches socialism, where the government is in control and takes care of people. The church is supposed to do that job!

if anything God likes the investment model much better
you know the story

Matthew 25:14-30 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Bags of Gold
14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

God expects us to use our talents and abilities and be useful to God's kingdom

the blessing of helping out others

falls to the christian

individually one on one

corporately church by church

and not a government

this is what christian are suppose to use money for

Luke 16:9 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

+++try to keep personal attacks out of it, i will ignore it because it's better to make a point and back it up with the bible

Socialism is sharing for the greater good.

+++sharing lol government controled taxing at best,

If you think the essential message from god that those who dont share are going to have a tougher time getting into heaven than those who do.....with the alternative being hell, rape, torture and god only knows what else....isnt the fundamentals of socialism ..then you are just twisting the word to suit your interests....which most christians do anyway....im a hella sinner..but ill never twist the word to justify my shit...thats pathetic.

+++i think you have things mixed up here

salvation is free, just like the thief on the cross, all he did was observe Jesus as Lord and savior and he got in

for those who profess christianity , sharing should be done, but within the church, not a government that imposes it's form of socialism. and of course the people who get hurt are the little people , like cuba, like venezuela and other places, even russia had a hard time there and they have abandoned socialism and so has china to a certain degree. socialism doesn't work, never has worked, never will work! oh it sounds nice but the pragmatic day to day living just makes socialism a dead end.

now the bible never teaches socialism, where the government is in control and takes care of people. The church is supposed to do that job!

if anything God likes the investment model much better
you know the story

Matthew 25:14-30 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Bags of Gold
14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

God expects us to use our talents and abilities and be useful to God's kingdom

the blessing of helping out others

falls to the christian

individually one on one

corporately church by church

and not a government

this is what christian are suppose to use money for

Luke 16:9 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.


thats awful.

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socialism noun
so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

none of this definition has anything to do with the bible, as a matter of fact the bible leans toward a monarchy with God as the king, then the next best thing is a good king leading. Our republic, is ok except that congress has given too much power to the executive and legislative branch.

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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

+++try to keep personal attacks out of it, i will ignore it because it's better to make a point and back it up with the bible

Socialism is sharing for the greater good.

+++sharing lol government controled taxing at best,

If you think the essential message from god that those who dont share are going to have a tougher time getting into heaven than those who do.....with the alternative being hell, rape, torture and god only knows what else....isnt the fundamentals of socialism ..then you are just twisting the word to suit your interests....which most christians do anyway....im a hella sinner..but ill never twist the word to justify my shit...thats pathetic.

+++i think you have things mixed up here

salvation is free, just like the thief on the cross, all he did was observe Jesus as Lord and savior and he got in

for those who profess christianity , sharing should be done, but within the church, not a government that imposes it's form of socialism. and of course the people who get hurt are the little people , like cuba, like venezuela and other places, even russia had a hard time there and they have abandoned socialism and so has china to a certain degree. socialism doesn't work, never has worked, never will work! oh it sounds nice but the pragmatic day to day living just makes socialism a dead end.

now the bible never teaches socialism, where the government is in control and takes care of people. The church is supposed to do that job!

if anything God likes the investment model much better
you know the story

Matthew 25:14-30 New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Bags of Gold
14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.

19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’

21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’

23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’

God expects us to use our talents and abilities and be useful to God's kingdom

the blessing of helping out others

falls to the christian

individually one on one

corporately church by church

and not a government

this is what christian are suppose to use money for

Luke 16:9 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.


thats awful.


why is it awful?

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You know. I never take it too hard when Austin says shit like 'fuck religion' because I'd probably say the same thing if I had disbelief coupled with people like you who take scripture and try to use it to justify bullshit, while eroding one of the most primary concepts in the bible, christian charity.

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this is what christian are suppose to use money for

Luke 16:9 New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.


You have the understand of this scripture completely wrong. You've used it to justify ill gotten gains, and the using of it to gain further support. If you then couple that with the fact that it was spoken by Jesus, you draw the conclusion that Jesus was pretty openly condoning people buying their way into heaven. Alas, you were not smart enough to understand that Jesus was completely against that concept from jump, and that the bible wouldnt be worth the paper it was written on if he did such a 180 mid book.

What that scripture really means is simply, if you have gains of the ill gotten, even though it's from the ill gotten, it can and should be used for the greater good, and Jesus' sweetest principle is that there is no greater good than helping those that need help, ala a socialist principle, demanding that those that have surplus, share with those that have deficit. The only difference is that Jesus demanded it but didnt authorize taking from said ppl, whereas Socialism does aim to put that principle into law, which I totally agree with them doing so. Socialism also doesn't promose of a day where all those who didnt comply will be punished for non compliance, severely. So yes, there are stark similarities and start differences.

With such disinterpretation of the bible rampant, (let me give a quick lesson on mis vs dis here, mis implies and accidental use, dis implies willful use), especially in the US, I cant be too hard on those who spit venom towards christians. After all they seem to be the leading exponent, you included, at shitting on a concept of socialism when its proposed to lift up those who have little and need more...while uplifting red tooth and claw capitalism...which makes more people poor every single day.

BUT not only do you all don't give even the slightest fart out of your asshole worth of resistance for the rich greedy capitalist companies who daily have crooked socialism doled perversely in their direction when they pay little to no tax, claim tax benefit from it, and have every single asshole president dem and repub giving them more and more ways to take money indirectly out of the pockets of everyone, including those ppl who have very little in the first place. ...

....but you pervert bible verses to falsely justify their behaviour....

Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

In this case, the pearls arent simply trampled, they've been twisted and repurposed to be used to indoctrinate more pawns of nefarious men...who only care about making profit.

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socialism noun
so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \
Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

none of this definition has anything to do with the bible, as a matter of fact the bible leans toward a monarchy with God as the king, then the next best thing is a good king leading. Our republic, is ok except that congress has given too much power to the executive and legislative branch.


You didnt read your bible, you had someone tell you what was in your bible. Wanna know how I know? Well if you read your bible, you'd know quite blatently that Kings weren't an idea presented to the people from God, it was a demand from the people made to God, to which God replied to them through Samuel that ... and im paraphrasing this....so you dont get lost in the minutae of old english stripture.... "an intelligent people wouldnt demand for a King because he'll take everything from you and use it for his own selfish interests, and if i give you one, he'll do just that, and then one day youll beg me to deliver you from him....and my response to you will be....hey....this is what you asked for...and I warned you...but you still wanted it....so I gave you what you wanted....so nut up and live with the consequences".

But hey, dont take it from Jermz, why dont you open up the Bible that you insist on having greedy ppl translate for you, and turn it to 1 Samuel 8:10-22. That way when the next person tells you that God leans toward monarchy, you know that they are selling you a lie.

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How much of that bible is completely contradictory?


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How much of that bible is completely contradictory?


If you're stupid and/or are the kind of reader who reads part of a book, doesnt understand any of it, and then reads 278 pages later and dont apply anything that you read before that page, then the whole thing is contradictory. Thats why most people have it read to them instead of reading it themselves, it's too much to be taken in by most people, and contradictory and retarded sounding when half ass read. The book aint the problem, people are idiots. Vic read part of it...and suddenly Jesus has a gold teeth gold slippers and a feather in his cap...and is telling rich entitled fucks who steal wealth that they can buy their way into heaven. :shaking-head-no-smiley-emoticon:

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"Dont worry bruh, go get that money....any way you can, let those poor non christian muthafuckaz out there fend for themselves,and use the money where us already having christians of our choosing play with that money of yours, and Imma stamp you that golden ticket to the afta party playa...holla holla :pimp: "

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LMAO/ So I will admit up front, I have not read the bible cover to cover. I, like most people, relied on it being interpreted for my by the pastor on Sundays. But shit would always seem contradictory to me. Leviticus says all that shit about being a homo, and that gets preached. Then next sunday its all "Jesus loves and accepts everybodY'. Well which one is it? Jesus loves the homos, or jesus condemns them to hell?


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LMAO/ So I will admit up front, I have not read the bible cover to cover. I, like most people, relied on it being interpreted for my by the pastor on Sundays. But shit would always seem contradictory to me. Leviticus says all that shit about being a homo, and that gets preached. Then next sunday its all "Jesus loves and accepts everybodY'. Well which one is it? Jesus loves the homos, or jesus condemns them to hell?


just follow your specific church's guidelines.

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LMAO/ So I will admit up front, I have not read the bible cover to cover. I, like most people, relied on it being interpreted for my by the pastor on Sundays. But shit would always seem contradictory to me. Leviticus says all that shit about being a homo, and that gets preached. Then next sunday its all "Jesus loves and accepts everybodY'. Well which one is it? Jesus loves the homos, or jesus condemns them to hell?


There is no contradiction. Jesus dont love the homo shit, no more than he moves the thief, or the part of me that's stickin girls in the bottom. Leviticus stands by that its a sin. You can tell someone that they are doing wrong....and try to tell them to do right, while still accepting them while not accepting the shit that you dont agree with. But those true homophobic assholes take that and run with it to declare war on gay people, while gay people take that and try to force the church to rewrite the bible....so they can perversely have "jesus" sanctify their gay marriage.

That's my faith based sense of it anyway.

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LMAO/ So I will admit up front, I have not read the bible cover to cover. I, like most people, relied on it being interpreted for my by the pastor on Sundays. But shit would always seem contradictory to me. Leviticus says all that shit about being a homo, and that gets preached. Then next sunday its all "Jesus loves and accepts everybodY'. Well which one is it? Jesus loves the homos, or jesus condemns them to hell?


There is no contradiction. Jesus dont love the homo shit, no more than he moves the thief, or the part of me that's stickin girls in the bottom. Leviticus stands by that its a sin. You can tell someone that they are doing wrong....and try to tell them to do right, while still accepting them while not accepting the shit that you dont agree with. But those true homophobic assholes take that and run with it to declare war on gay people, while gay people take that and try to force the church to rewrite the bible....so they can perversely have "jesus" sanctify their gay marriage.

That's my faith based sense of it anyway.



I hear you. Either way, I can't abide by organized religion, as a whole.


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LMAO/ So I will admit up front, I have not read the bible cover to cover. I, like most people, relied on it being interpreted for my by the pastor on Sundays. But shit would always seem contradictory to me. Leviticus says all that shit about being a homo, and that gets preached. Then next sunday its all "Jesus loves and accepts everybodY'. Well which one is it? Jesus loves the homos, or jesus condemns them to hell?


There is no contradiction. Jesus dont love the homo shit, no more than he moves the thief, or the part of me that's stickin girls in the bottom. Leviticus stands by that its a sin. You can tell someone that they are doing wrong....and try to tell them to do right, while still accepting them while not accepting the shit that you dont agree with. But those true homophobic assholes take that and run with it to declare war on gay people, while gay people take that and try to force the church to rewrite the bible....so they can perversely have "jesus" sanctify their gay marriage.

That's my faith based sense of it anyway.



I hear you. Either way, I can't abide by organized religion, as a whole.


Neither can I to be honest. But if you take the fact that God shit on the concept of Kings in the old testament, you can infer that God also shits on organized religions. Because the top of those organized religions are no different than monarchs themselves, and quite regularly enrich themselves off of the money ppl give to them.

I wont try to have the word rewritten to serve my need though. Im not going around and telling ppl that I stick girls in the bottom without consequence, so the bible should be okay with it, and if I did...christians would be shitting on me telling me the consequences. On the note of gay ppl wanting the church to change to accommodate them being married, I point to that. You wanna be gay, be gay, but you cant request the book be changed...and everyone conform to you where the religion and word is concerned. It has enough issues as is with ppl not being able to decipher the shit, for society to start arbitrarily removing shit because they dont like how it makes them feel.

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Agreed. No religion, as much as I disagree with them, should be forced to change their beliefs based on sical pressure. The flip to that argument, is governments should not lean on religion, in deciding who or what can and can't be married.


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Agreed. No religion, as much as I disagree with them, should be forced to change their beliefs based on sical pressure. The flip to that argument, is governments should not lean on religion, in deciding who or what can and can't be married.


Absolutely, Im for separation of church and state entirely. It gives rise to the state corrupting the religion or the religion corrupting the state. I've told girls this about marriage already that I could give a shit about the state marriage certificate, dont want it. If I marry you, it's the promise to God in front of my loved ones that I give a fuck about. So should gays be able to have marriages or unions or whatever they call it through the state, fuck ya they should!

But then the extension gets dodgy when it goes to the tax breaks that religious institutes get right? People look to use that as justification to mould the church however they like, to try to treat the church like a state asset, else they shouldnt get those breaks at all. I disagree with that concept. But at the same time I would like to see the ones that use the breaks to enrich themselves, I'd like to see them kneecapped for sure.

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socialism doesn't work, never has, never will,

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That is the kind of garbage ppl hear from other places, usually the bad variant of conservative, and then regurgitate elsewhere. It's a tell tale sign of a person who knows absolutely nothing about world affairs, which is the average american in a nut shell since americans generally are very insular.

Your govt practices socialism in many ways, and every way it does, it works....except when it's practiced upward towards the rich. Every civilized country in the world that provides free at the point of use health care is practicing a type of socialism, and not only does it work, but they rank higher than your country when it comes to health and life expectancy.

Communist China with their crazy population uses all kinds of socialist principles, and other than India, they are prospering at the highest rate. A small virtually broke country like Cuba and use it wide scale while being essentially off the coast of america and still have top notch and free education, health, zero homelessness, and poverty but everyone eats, albeit not in a gluttonous fashion. But to you, Jesus would prefer that the rich get theres while the number of the poor and needy grow.

So to conclude you dont seem to know a lot about your bible, or about the effectiveness of Socialism.

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