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Besides John Starks Tmac is my favorite player of all time, hope he gets in. He had a remarkable 7 "year stretch and he's one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

The ridiculous lack of success in the playoffs despite his increase in production leaves room for the haters to do what they do best though.

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Figured youd jump first, only dude on this board who rates TMac higher than me. He gotta be in, first run through, gotta.

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Overrated like a mug.

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Nothing overrated about TMac. His body simply couldnt sustain his best basketball.

He could shoot, he could pass, when on point he could play elite level defense. He just happened to be paired with the worst players ever on every team he played on, except for the raptors with him and prime Vince. Which he promptly left...because he knew...before any of the smucks out there who claim to know basketball...that he was a better basketball player than Vince Carter.

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So he left Toronto cause he was better than Carter?? That makes sense. How'd that work for him?? Tmac was a stat whore. Nothing more.

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So he left Toronto cause he was better than Carter?? That makes sense. How'd that work for him?? Tmac was a stat whore. Nothing more.


He had more success out of Toronto than he would have staying. I'm not going to even entertain that aspect of the convo, because I was up here in Toronto at the time saying Tmac was better than Carter, while yall in the states was all on "Vinsanity's" nuts and thought he was the second coming.

Sure, you can call him a stat whore. You can make the same argument about Kobe. Difference is Kobe had a franchise that spared no expense to put weapons around him, TMac never had anything close to that, and his body fell apart.

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So poor Tmac had no parts around him, but had Carter in Toronto, but left cause he was better. Meanwhile I once saw Toronto and Carter play in the Eastern finals. But you claim he would've had less success staying in Toronto. Doesn't add up.

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So poor Tmac had no parts around him, but had Carter in Toronto, but left cause he was better. Meanwhile I once saw Toronto and Carter play in the Eastern finals. But you claim he would've had less success staying in Toronto. Doesn't add up.


How the fuck is he gonna have more success in Toronto when you and others are gonna attribute the Toronto success more TO Carter?

What Tmac was able to pull off alone away from Toronto trumps one trip to the eastern finals in a overwhelmingly weak eastern conference.

One year in Orlando, his best teammates was Mike Miller. Lol ya, he got into the playoffs with Mike Miller as the teams second option.

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Because 2 great players cant Co exist?? What are we debating, which player was better or if it would've been beneficial for StatMac to play with another great player?? Because apparently what he was in need of in Orlando is exactly what he left in Toronto.

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Because 2 great players cant Co exist?? What are we debating, which player was better or if it would've been beneficial for StatMac to play with another great player?? Because apparently what he was in need of in Orlando is exactly what he left in Toronto.


Well since we are talking about HOF here, if he stayed to play second fiddle to Carter, we wouldnt be having a HOF convo about him right now at all if he stayed in Toronto. Point blank period. He left, carved his own path, never got past the first round, which is quite literally the only negative you have on him in a career where his body feel apart before he could run up the score even more in his favor.

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Fuck it, this is ridiculous, you're getting ridiculous...

here is the list of potentials..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/hof.cgi

Go ahead and tell me TMac is an overrated stat whore and shouldnt get in over others.

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I can't believe I just saw a list of 20 names and said no to all of them. AC Green?? Terry Cummings?? Lmao. McGrady by far is the best in that group and if someone has to go then fine he gets my vote. But that list damn. I mean maybe the NBA Jam HOF with the way some of those guys hit 3s or blocked shots.

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I can't believe I just saw a list of 20 names and said no to all of them. AC Green?? Terry Cummings?? Lmao. McGrady by far is the best in that group and if someone has to go then fine he gets my vote. But that list damn. I mean maybe the NBA Jam HOF with the way some of those guys hit 3s or blocked shots.


Yea, I was being a bit of a jerk :lol: because I full well saw part of the list. But you are too hard on the scoring machine man. Ya he a bit of a stat whore, but he aint no prime gilbert arenas or nothin. At his best he was as unstoppable as prime Kobe.

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T Mac is one of my favorite players ever. Forgive me for stating this for like the tenth time on this website, but McGrady won three games in the first round of the playoffs against THE PISTONS who would win the championship the next year, with this starting five.

Jacque Vaughn
Tracy McGrady
Gordan Giricek
Drew Gooden
Andrew DeClerq

The Magic were up 3-1. McGrady's carrying of that terrible team all year and briefly in the playoffs was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in basketball.

As for T Mac leaving Toronto for Orlando, the thing that often is forgotten, he and Grant Hill signed with Orlando a day apart, and were fairly convinced Tim Duncan was signing there later that week. Orlando even traded Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups to make room for the last of their proto-big three. Duncan was apparently close to signing, until David Robinson flew in from a vacation in Hawaii to stop Timmy in the eleventh hour. That was what T-Mac (and Grant Hill) were signing up for. The backup plan of "only" T Mac/Hill as a (lesser) MJ/Scottie would have been fairly successful in that NJ Nets Era of the East, and then Grant Hill's body immediately fell apart, playing four games that first year, and less than 50 combined games in three years.

T Mac doing as well as he did with that Orlando team, is impressive in itself, and where he won me over.

The Rockets years were alright, but his body was quickly falling apart, which happens, and is always a bummer. Thinking of dudes like Penny, Grant Hill, and now even D. Rose, is depressing as hell. T Mac just got enough prime years in before it happened.

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Tracy McGrady his first few years in Orlando I believe was the best basketball player in the league.

And if you want to argue Vince vs Tmac then it's not even worth arguing, the only thing Vince did better was dunk, and I'm not a Vince hater, at all, I just feel Mac was on another level.

Like I said, he was a favorite of mine, so I'm going to over lean his way, but when dude was prime I was going to war with the kobe lovers, and I've seen Mac get the better of him plenty of times, one on one, I see him work that boy. Kobe has more chips and about 5 times the more worthy and valuable career, I respect that, but one on one, throw em on the court in their prime and I'll be the first couple months rent Tmac sons him.

Don't get me back on this man.

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T-Mac, Kobe, Vince Carter and AI's numbers from 2000-2004, not in that order. Blind test, rank the players.

A.
PPG: 29.2
RPG: 4.1
Assists: 5.5
Shooting Percentage: 41%
Player Efficiency Rating: 21.7
Win Share: 30.7

B.
PPG: 28.1
RPG: 7
APG: 5.2
Shooting Percentage: 45%
Player Efficiency Rating: 26.4
Win Share: 48.2

C.
PPG: 27.0
RPG: 6.0
APG: 5.4
Shooting Percentage: 46%
Player Efficiency Rating: 24.5
Win Share: 49.7

D.
PPG: 24.2
RPG: 5.0
APG: 4.1
Shooting Percentage: 44%
Player Efficiency Rating: 22.0
Win Share: 30.0

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Give me...

A. AI
B. TMac
C. Kobe
D. Carter

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Cant get those stats by me, I remember how close TMac and Kobe were those seasons. Thats back when I hated Kobe more than any other player in basketball. If it wasnt TMac, Pierce or Sheed, I wasnt trying to hear it. Tracy did some monstrous shit, nightly. He was the Lebron prototype before Lebron even got into the league, that passed less (look at what he had to work with) and had a better jump shot.

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Yeah that's all great. Blind taste test oh yeah look at those numbers baby.


Not a HOFer. But if we change the name of the thread to Tmac was a great player, I'll gladly join the circle jerk.

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The dreadful shooting percentage was obviously AI. Most rebs was obviously Tmac. Then it's easy between Vince and Kobe.

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Also worth noting, the Mamba said McGrady was the most difficult offense assignment he ever had in his career. Consider that statement given that Kobe was in his defensive prime in the early 2000s. Overrated?? naww.

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Also worth noting, the Mamba said McGrady was the most difficult offense assignment he ever had in his career. Consider that statement given that Kobe was in his defensive prime in the early 2000s. Overrated?? naww.


None of this shit you Gruber or Truth are saying puts him in the HOF. Unless you consider Terry Cummings and Jeff Hornacek as candidates as well. :rofl: I only say overrated cause of the HOF talk. He was a great player. A HOF talent at his peak.

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Not a HOFer. But if we change the name of the thread to Tmac was a great player, I'll gladly join the circle jerk.

That's fair enough. Mattingly like career.

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Not a HOF. A good player with potential for greatness but not enough sustained to be a HOF in my book, but see, the HOF is tricky. Look at a guy like Robert Horry, is he a HOF?! I think due to his big shots and championships you probably have to say yes, was he nearly as good as Tmac?! No.


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