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Ukrainians are on it with the tech to read the damaged recorders.
Iranians aren't hiding anything.
This all does look like a mistake.

Fog of War!

They were on heightened alert and I'd make a huge wager they aren't the best-trained personnel.
Canada's Trudeau was asked if Trump was partially to blame. :shock:
He said it was too early to say. :o

Flights come and go from Tehran like any major city.
Without question, the tensions were higher than normal.
WE bombed a gah damn airport with secondary casualties (as is usual) to get an assassination done.
WE didn't make anything safer. Shit is more volatile.
It's one of those situations where people are going to feel more than think logically.
Now nearly 200 more people are dead.
Just coincidence if you don't want to think the US has a responsibility or a good way to blame Iran.
No way in hell other countries call us out publically, but I think they'll be rightfully talking amongst themselves how stupid we are...how dumb Trump is.
YOu can't write these scenarios up and there are always unintended consequences.


Aye. I hope it was a mistake. And I hope they own it. But it seems clear now it was shot down. Ukraine leaking photos of missile remnants.


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They just copped to it. It was clearly an accident. Tragic. But the amount of weddings and hospital america has bombed without world condemnation or consequence, not much should come from this but apology.

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Mistakes happen during times of war. And its tragic. But its not worth starting ww3 over. But fuck, if you're a family member of someone on that plane, I sure as hell understand you calling for shit to go down. But cooler heads gotta prevail.


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Well more so the Iranian families, because they are those who left Iran in the first place because they didnt want to live under the islamic govt. I've had big arguments with these types all of the time. THey tell me ...oh you werent there so you dont know...and you'd feel the same if you were...and I tell that them capitulating unfairly to america is not in any countries interest and no matter the hate for the iranian govt that fact never changes. They all say they dont care about the politics and never want to acknowledge the historical shitty part that the countries that they pray in aid have played in all of this shit.

But those families though, they def have the ammo here. It would be good to see them direct adequate fury to america as well as iran.

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Well more so the Iranian families, because they are those who left Iran in the first place because they didnt want to live under the islamic govt. I've had big arguments with these types all of the time. THey tell me ...oh you werent there so you dont know...and you'd feel the same if you were...and I tell that them capitulating unfairly to america is not in any countries interest and no matter the hate for the iranian govt that fact never changes. They all say they dont care about the politics and never want to acknowledge the historical shitty part that the countries that they pray in aid have played in all of this shit.

But those families though, they def have the ammo here. It would be good to see them direct adequate fury to america as well as iran.



Never happen. iran was the one who shit that shit down, no amount of reasoning with them will change that.


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I am just glad they copped to it. To continue to deny it would have just escalated tensions to heights nobody wants to see.


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Yeah for sure, and it would have undermined the sense of integrity that the republic is trying to claim that they have and is demanding from external state actors. Gotta own your doo doo.

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Trouble in Iraqi Central Bank land possibly.

It has got to be the most maddening thing in the world to be put under sanctions or the threat of sanctions and having assets frozen.

And this is why so many nations are building their gold reserves.

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I don't think Iran tried to conceal this and although they did it, they do this out of being totally calm and reasonable. How can they be? They have weapons and ever country around them has major shit going down every day. Foreign countries....The US of A included...are mucking around like they belong there. It would be like a citizen shooting a cop having the cop pointing a pistol at them. Trust me...I won't shoot but put down your weapon. The citizen, having done nothing wrong, reacts and shoots the cop given enough probability. Then there are those who have done something wrong and the cops use that as a blanket example.

Iran ain't the good guys, but I'd just as well let them go at whatever they want in their region and bring our people home. Set up shop here and get those soldiers busy doing good things here if its possible. Take those trillions and put them back home. Unfortunately, those jackasses deciding such thing don't see real value in putting those tax dollars back into the general population as a benefit because they don't' see upward mobility, peace of mind, and real financial freedom as part of the American dream in reality. They conflate a scant minority of good stories as a carrot like a mirage to thirsting and starving donkeys.


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So who are the good guys?

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:lol: Right.

I don't know. They aren't in charge thought.
I'd suspect the "good" are the people who actually care about every life that cares about life as they do.
That caring is not about control, but about the freedom to live and let live
Some people have "bad" blood leftover from some primal sociopathic tendencies without empathy like reptiles. They care about "their" own, but eat and/or kill someone else's young out of a dark "what if".
Lions do it to kill competition the same way our governments do spinning stories to support murder to those would might have sympathy. We are caught lying far too long after the support for immoral actions has taken hold and then it just becomes a doctrine. People don't seem to go back to simplicity as easily as they do forward chaos.

People are not bad on their own I don't think. It is taught and driven into them while disguised as "good" like soldiers fighting misguided wars.


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There arent any heroes anymore. Only villains. And theyve got us all beat.

Man is self destructive. Not fit to govern himself.

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But empire is the big bad because empire wants to stop a multipolar world. We all benefit most from a multipolar world. It maximizes choice and freedoms.

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You got that right!
If aliens invaded. :kopfpatsch: :lol: they should tell to cut it out.
Threaten us saying if we don't fix it they will eradicate"the" cancer(s)
We'd be like dogs looking up to make sure we are doing the right thing.
i just think the current ruling class are substandard human beings in thought and physicality.
I don't get the mind control they have but I'd guess it is why they never have care about truth or real education for the masses. They sure care about cable TV and the dumbass fantasies and fallacies they can spread there.


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I have to just laugh at those fucking Fox hosts.
Steve Deucy said to Geraldo, "Can you imagine if we shot down an airplane Geraldo?"
Geraldo said, "Well Steve, we did in 1988 and killed 290 Iranians including 60 children."
Kilmeade: "yea, but we paid them a lot of money." :lol: :kopfpatsch:
They say ignorant shit like this every day....and i mean every fucking day.
Most of them would be like the dumbest student in a class at a good university.
They try hard, they are loud, believe in their opinions without any fact, and when confronted with their stupidity they shrug it off and quickly forget like the other 1000 times they were clueless.
They nod at each other a lot.

Yea, our Navy shot a passenger plane by mistake too...but we paid them for it.


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So, the U.S. had considered assassinating Soleimani since 2018.

Helped along by Israeli intel

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israe ... ort-613899

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These are just playbooks.
They have another 51 cards sitting someone....so of course they have been waiting to play it.
And because they like cards like a bad sick gambler they are coming up with another name.

And btw...Trump didn't even know who this guy was back in 2015 and 2016.
Hugh Hewitt in a radio interview asked Trump about him and how he commanded the Quds force.
Trump said, "Oh...and btw...the Kurds have been so badly treated." :kopfpatsch: :lol:
Trump got the word from Pompeo this was a good idea.


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I have to just laugh at those fucking Fox hosts.
Steve Deucy said to Geraldo, "Can you imagine if we shot down an airplane Geraldo?"
Geraldo said, "Well Steve, we did in 1988 and killed 290 Iranians including 60 children."
Kilmeade: "yea, but we paid them a lot of money." :lol: :kopfpatsch:
They say ignorant shit like this every day....and i mean every fucking day.
Most of them would be like the dumbest student in a class at a good university.
They try hard, they are loud, believe in their opinions without any fact, and when confronted with their stupidity they shrug it off and quickly forget like the other 1000 times they were clueless.
They nod at each other a lot.

Yea, our Navy shot a passenger plane by mistake too...but we paid them for it.



Those two are wretched. And Iran Air Flight 655 was no accident.

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These are just playbooks.
They have another 51 cards sitting someone....so of course they have been waiting to play it.
And because they like cards like a bad sick gambler they are coming up with another name.

And btw...Trump didn't even know who this guy was back in 2015 and 2016.
Hugh Hewitt in a radio interview asked Trump about him and how he commanded the Quds force.
Trump said, "Oh...and btw...the Kurds have been so badly treated." :kopfpatsch: :lol:
Trump got the word from Pompeo this was a good idea.



Trump the citizen also once said he believed that Saudi Arabia was the #1 funder of terrorism. Which was exactly correct. And who does Pompeo shill for?

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I was being sarcastic. I should have said "mistake". :lol:
All these news people are making a big deal of Iranians protesting calling for resignations in their government.
That some bullshit and straight-up propaganda when its a fraction of the folks here that would like our own PResident gone.
Apples to apples? No. Just look over there and don't compare consumer. :shaking-head-no-smiley-emoticon:
Our fucking people can't even get their story straight to how this whole thing got started.
They might as well just come out and say, "We just thought the time was right from a gut feeling. Trump has great gut instincts. See! It's going perfectly."


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There are still question marks with this.

The Iranians say that there was reported jamming of the the defense system, which was then put on manual operation as a result. And the aircrafts transponder, which identifies it as a civilian aircraft, was turned off!

And then at the exact same time, some rich kids in a wealthy part of Iran have a camera in the sky at the exact moment to record it?

Seriously?

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Trump has instructed the Navy to "shoot down" any and all Iranian gun boats if they harass Navy ships.

First of all...how do you "shoot down" a boat? Isn't it already down?

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I guess this is one way to get oil prices up...start a war with Iran.

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I guess you shoot ithemfrom below :lol:
You know, we got submarines, they have ammunition now, they are perfect!
Best submarines money can buy...top of the line...everyone says so...you know it. :lol:
Everybody wants our submarines...other countries always ask because they want them.
We'll sell them...they pay us billions...its good business..it just makes sense.
They pay us billions and we can build a wall to keep the submarines out.
Hey, good idea...an underwater wall arund the coast.
That's the next project....I just thought of that..you know...I got a big you know what. :saluting-us-flag:


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