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So, if Golovkin is done being a top fighter, and it certainly seems that way his top 5 wins would be 5 of these 7 names:

Jacobs, Brook, Geale, Macklin, Murray, Martirosyan and Lemieux

Absolutely pathetic to see it written out like that. Especially considering I thought he lost the Jacobs fight, which is unquestionably his number one.

Then while maybe one or two Golovkin fanboys might still exist and claim everyone was ducking him, well we know for a fact he ducked Ward and Lara, so I'm honestly skeptical anyone was ever ducking him. Seems like it was always promotion 101 for him to take on lesser fighters, so he could win spectacularly.

Now Lara, he probably would have beaten, but I think that would be his 3rd or 4th best win, which is shocking to type, but seems right. Are people going to rank Macklin/Murray over Lara? Geale even? So Golovkin ducked what could possibly have been his 3rd best win. He faced Willie Monroe then David Lemieux instead, for those that don't remember the timeline.

Ward would have absolutely owned Golovkin, though. Good duck, Gennady.

Golovkin's legacy is not going to hold up well, I think. He'll make the Hall because of all his title defenses, but are people still going to go on the bat for him as one of the greatest middleweights ever? I can't imagine this.

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by the book:

1. Jacobs
2. Derevychenko
3. Murray
4. Brook
5. Martirosyan


in reality:

1. Canelo
2. Jacobs
3. Murray
4. Brook
5. Martirosyan

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 Post subject: Re: Golovkin Legacy
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I forgot Derevychenko already since no one thought Golovkin actually won. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Golovkin Legacy
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Easy. One of the top midddlweights of all time. Brutal knockout puncher. Still beating good boxers at his old age. Gruber,this doesn't shock me. You're just a hater. NO,he didn't duck Lara lol If you say he lost the Jacobs' fight,then give him the 1st Canelo fight bc he won that one. Ward is a bigger fighter. GGG was and always has been a bigger draw than Ward anyways. Ward is a 174lbs fighter lol. If Ward wanted any,he would of fought GGG at his terms. Another European hate thread. Typical American bias from a casual boxing fan.


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I'm just glad Golovkin is making elite money now. How much has Ward made in his career. I'll wait.........


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Easy. One of the top midddlweights of all time. Brutal knockout puncher. Still beating good boxers at his old age. Gruber,this doesn't shock me. You're just a hater. NO,he didn't duck Lara lol If you say he lost the Jacobs' fight,then give him the 1st Canelo fight bc he won that one. Ward is a bigger fighter. GGG was and always has been a bigger draw than Ward anyways. Ward is a 174lbs fighter lol. If Ward wanted any,he would of fought GGG at his terms. Another European hate thread. Typical American bias from a casual boxing fan.

You've disputed nothing I said.

I'm not going to give him the 1st Canelo fight like gifts somehow even out because I actually scored the fight, I scored it a draw, and I stand by that. You'll irrationally call this "hate" when the reality is I've talked shit about Canelo far more and far longer. I genuinely just happened to score it a draw.

"He didn't duck Lara lol" is also not a rebuke. In a time where Golovkin was claiming no one would fight him, Lara called him out relentlessly for a full year. It would be forgiveable on Golovkin's behalf to decline a Lara fight for better fights, but he fought Willie Monroe instead. Then David Lemieux. Then Dominic Wade. All inferior fighters to Lara. That is as clear as a duck gets.

"If Ward wanted any,he would of fought GGG at his terms" is fanboy shit, dude. Like I'm not a Ward fan. I don't really like him. I have no dog in the fight. When Ward was in his self imposed exile with the Goosen lawsuit, Golovkin and his people called him as much as possible. They said the entire time they would move up to 168 to fight him. These were their words. Unprompted, they brought this up repeatedly. Real tough guy bullshit against a guy they knew was unavailable. Coward shit. The DAY AFTER Ward's legal matters were settled, he publicly accepted Golovkin's challenge and sent him terms that would have given Golovkin a career high pay day. In the final hour, Golovkin made it a catchweight they knew Ward couldn't make. They killed the fight. That's a duck. "If Ward wanted any,he would of fought GGG at his terms" isn't a serious reply. If you cared at all about good fights being made, and weren't waving a flag for someone who doesn't know you exist, you would see how pathetic it was to call someone out for a year that you knew couldn't fight, then changing the terms the last minute when that guy says, "Cool, let's do it." This is what the bad guy in a movie does.

Then you go on and talk about drawing power and all that. Dude, Golovkin's entire career was built on fighters supposedly "too scared" to fight him. To then justify Golovkin taking lesser fights because of drawing power shows the mindset of a Golovkin fan; They'd look the other way whenever Golovkin was to blame while holding on to the fantasy that it was everyone else. And they (You) are still doing it to this very day.

Listen up, man, I'm not a hater. I'm a 35-year-old man. I'm not going to put the pom poms on for any man anymore. I don't give a shit about anyone. I want the best fights possible, always, and when I saw Golovkin build a legacy collecting bums, I called it out here. When I saw others killing the myth that no one wanted to fight him simply by trying to fight him, and then Golovkin STILL fought bums, I called it out here. Now that's it's mostly over and Golovkin's Top 5 wins are some combination of Jacobs, Derevychenko, Murray, Brook and Martirosyan, a pathetic group of names, I'm not going to pretend this is an all time great middleweight. Especially when I thought he lost against Jacobs. This is not being a hater, this is living in a reality without fandom. Try it sometime.

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 Post subject: Re: Golovkin Legacy
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GGG's resume is like Compubox, it doesn't tell the whole story. I had him clearly beating Canelo first time around, although I do think Jacobs pipped him. Can't say he's one of greatest middleweights ever because the resume doesn't support it, but H2H he'd have a good chance versus any of the all time greats.


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Also, don't think Ward would have owned GGG... he's not weak in the body and mind like Krusher (who clearly beat Ward first time around).


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No. He's just vastly superior in every category to every single fighter GGG has fought close with or lost to.....and is bigger to boot.

Ward would have washed him, and they know it, thats why they bs'd their way out of the fight.

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No. He's just vastly superior in every category to every single fighter GGG has fought close with or lost to.....and is bigger to boot.

Ward would have washed him, and they know it, thats why they bs'd their way out of the fight.


Ward's not vastly superior to Canelo. GGG's workrate and chin give him a decent chance Vs Ward, who on the back of beating Kovalev (2nd time of asking) is slightly overrated IMO.


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No. He's just vastly superior in every category to every single fighter GGG has fought close with or lost to.....and is bigger to boot.

Ward would have washed him, and they know it, thats why they bs'd their way out of the fight.


Ward's not vastly superior to Canelo.


He's better than Canelo. It's a great pity that this is even a discussion, and that Ward would have to black wash midget ass Canelo for you to believe it. But he's definitely better than Canelo. And vastly better than guys Canelo has had trouble with.

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I would love to see Canelo vs Ward at 168. Thats a great fight, stylistically Canelo gives Ward problems and of course so does Ward but i think that fight is much closer than people would like to think. I agree Ward would wash GGG tho.


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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
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Gruber, do you deny that GGG fought Canelo evenly for two fights?

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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
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Bernard Hopkins


I dont. Hell....I dont even think he beats Pavlik or Prime JT or a motivated Winky.

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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins


I dont. Hell....I dont even think he beats Pavlik or Prime JT or a motivated Winky.


Winky yes. Kelly maybe. JT probably not.

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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins


I dont. Hell....I dont even think he beats Pavlik or Prime JT or a motivated Winky.


Winky yes. Kelly maybe. JT probably not.


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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins


I dont. Hell....I dont even think he beats Pavlik or Prime JT or a motivated Winky.


Winky yes. Kelly maybe. JT probably not.


Im not even mad at that. GGG beats Winky by maybe 1 or 2 points. He definintely doesnt stop him.

Fuck GGG's legacy.

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Gruber, do you deny that GGG fought Canelo evenly for two fights?

No, that's exactly how I had it. I was merely disputing Tsobrie telling me to give Golovkin an honorary Canelo win when I never had Golovkin beating Canelo, which like, why the fuck would I do that?

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Does anyone really think GGG beats any of these guys in their prime @ 160?

Roy Jones
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Gerald McLellan
Mike McCallum
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Bernard Hopkins


I dont. Hell....I dont even think he beats Pavlik or Prime JT or a motivated Winky.

Roy: Never under any circumstances does Golovkin win
Toney: Only if he catches a lazy Toney who had a bad cut ala Tiberi, but Toney almost always wins
Nunn: An absolute nightmare for Golovkin, what Lara was supposed to be, who GGG didn't want
McLellan: G Man puts Golovkin to sleep, straight up
McCallum: Body Snatcher on points
Benn: Golovkin could win at Middle, Benn would win at Super Middle
Eubank: SD either way. It'd be close
Hopkins: Hopkins UD up to 2004, Golovkin by SD after
Pavlik: Pavlik is bad matchup for Golovkin, would push him back with a more effective jab due to size
JT: Golovkin puts JT to sleep middle to late
Winky: Golovkin by SD, Winky could make a case that he won

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GGG got on the bus too late.
It doesn't matter what he could have done because you could say he was always this way
He looks to have been fading in the last few years and its obvious now---stamina especially or any immediacy to attack. It's the same methodical shit over and over.
I'm neutral, but I don't care to watch much more from GGG.
The last outing was enough.
He has the right to try and make the cash since he didn't do it before.
He is a real thumper but I don't think of him as a ko artist.
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I forgot Derevychenko already since no one thought Golovkin actually won. :lol:


He definitely beat Jacobs and chenko grubs wat u talking about? Both fights were close but the knockdown was the difference

He definitely won 6-7 RDS in both those fights and like I said the knockdown is the difference...he definitely beat canelo the first time and definitely beat Jacobs

Canelo,Jacobs and chenko are his 3 best WINS
We all know he beat canelo so that counts

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