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Broner, Swift, Porter, etc.

Sweet Cherrol came out and said “basically” about 25 times when explaining why he doesn’t need a promoter in his typical slack jawed slang :lol: but is he right? Oscar de La Gay came back and said “ no you need promoters, because promoters promote, they promote you” lol so who’s right? Who’s wrong?

Oscar brought up himself, Canelo. Said promoters make you PPV star. And basically shitted on Spence getting $1 million or two a fight. All the Haymon guys seem happy enough and extremely loyal to get paid for squash matches and the occasional test. But could Cherrol shine even brighter with Arum, Oscar or Hearn?


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Simple. Some do. Some dont. Nothing has changed. The irony is Oscar says the fighters need a promoter...but he left bob ... And the only way he went was up. So all that means is Oscar just wants to get paid off of someone elses work. The bigger issue with these fighters is loss fear....and thats kind of floyds legacy....his perfection made losing so debilitating in the mind of this gen that theyll fight once a year in the prime of their career and then sit on the sideline and talk about fighting otherwise. No promoter can effectively promote an inactive fighter.

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Good post. I agree with the floyd point. I also think Al has pussified some of these fighters though, along with Floyds legacy. Al may have more fighters than he can handle, which is why these guys only fight sparingly, im surprised none of these guys have taken that bait. Like, especially a guy like Broner. Take an offer from Hearn and take a large lump sum payment off top. Al must be on some gangsta shit like you if you leave me you are fucked lol or he must really care for these guys and they stay.


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Ya broner is a moron. Truth be told a lot of these guys can jump on 2 or 3 fight deals and make bank. But turn it down. Thats why i think Al pays them outside of their fights. Spence got multiple Ms to ward off promoters and fight peterson. These guys getting paid, but it aint showin in the fight purse.

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Yeah, its not a 1 size fits all thing. That being said, PBC has royally fucked shit up.


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PBC has no stars. And Jermz, Oscar did leave Arum, but his gay point is that he was with Arum, and Arum played a key role in making Oscar a true bonafide PPV star. Todays biggest truest stars all have promoters. Maybe thats a coincidence, maybe it isnt. But as Ice eluded to, these guys are either loyal or just content.

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PBC has no stars. And Jermz, Oscar did leave Arum, but his gay point is that he was with Arum, and Arum played a key role in making Oscar a true bonafide PPV star. Todays biggest truest stars all have promoters. Maybe thats a coincidence, maybe it isnt. But as Ice eluded to, these guys are either loyal or just content.


Money makes people complacent. Al been lining these dudes pockets for too long that nobody's hungry.


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PBC has no stars. And Jermz, Oscar did leave Arum, but his gay point is that he was with Arum, and Arum played a key role in making Oscar a true bonafide PPV star. Todays biggest truest stars all have promoters. Maybe thats a coincidence, maybe it isnt. But as Ice eluded to, these guys are either loyal or just content.


Money makes people complacent. Al been lining these dudes pockets for too long that nobody's hungry.


not just money, but money for doing as little as possible. Easy money.

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they black so certain promoters aint gonna push them anyway. crawford has a promoter is he doing better than Spence money and hype wise? no the only guy it could benefit would be mikey but he just left being pimped by Arum. unless u manny or canelo with whole countries behind u to take advantage of it dont matter. haymon guys are straight financially and the got a whole network for exposure. Spence just needs thurman or khan or danny to fight him

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they black so certain promoters aint gonna push them anyway. crawford has a promoter is he doing better than Spence money and hype wise? no the only guy it could benefit would be mikey but he just left being pimped by Arum. unless u manny or canelo with whole countries behind u to take advantage of it dont matter. haymon guys are straight financially and the got a whole network for exposure. Spence just needs thurman or khan or danny to fight him



Haymon guys gonna be fucked when the free PBC money runs out, which will be soon. Then what happens?


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The pbc money wont run out. Al is the best in the biz....he can sell water to a well. He'll always find backers for his product.

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they black so certain promoters aint gonna push them anyway. crawford has a promoter is he doing better than Spence money and hype wise? no the only guy it could benefit would be mikey but he just left being pimped by Arum. unless u manny or canelo with whole countries behind u to take advantage of it dont matter. haymon guys are straight financially and the got a whole network for exposure. Spence just needs thurman or khan or danny to fight him



Haymon guys gonna be fucked when the free PBC money runs out, which will be soon. Then what happens?

why yall think the money will run out? the other thing is lets say those guys were with oscar or arum how much better off would they be having to pay the promoter and still not get the big fights cuz of the promotional wars?

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Crawford just made more in his fight vs Horn than Spence made in any fight. $3 million. Crawford is also considered #1 P4P in the world. Also Lomachenko I would say is doing better than SPence P4P and hype wise. But SPence is doing good.


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they black so certain promoters aint gonna push them anyway. crawford has a promoter is he doing better than Spence money and hype wise? no the only guy it could benefit would be mikey but he just left being pimped by Arum. unless u manny or canelo with whole countries behind u to take advantage of it dont matter. haymon guys are straight financially and the got a whole network for exposure. Spence just needs thurman or khan or danny to fight him



Haymon guys gonna be fucked when the free PBC money runs out, which will be soon. Then what happens?

why yall think the money will run out? the other thing is lets say those guys were with oscar or arum how much better off would they be having to pay the promoter and still not get the big fights cuz of the promotional wars?



Because the ratings for his shiows are shit, the networks aren't buying time anymore other than shitty FS1 shows.


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yea they dont even have to many shows. alot of their exposure comes from fan and media hype, social media and such.

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yea they dont even have to many shows. alot of their exposure comes from fan and media hype, social media and such.


Which is great, but where is the $$ going to come from?


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its easier to pay them well (enough) when tbe B side is getting pennies.

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All this need a promoter shit. The facts are shit would be better if all of them were under one, or they all had their own. Because we have promoters preventing fights from happening all over the board.

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All this need a promoter shit. The facts are shit would be better if all of them were under one, or they all had their own. Because we have promoters preventing fights from happening all over the board.



True, but we have those PBC guys who "have no promoter" but still can't get a fight off between any of them either.


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I count Al as a promoter. Hes just found a way to be one without being one.

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I count Al as a promoter. Hes just found a way to be one without being one.


Agreed, but it goes to your theory of it would be better if they were all under 1. Spence, Danny, Porter, Thurman, all under the same "promoter" but we can't get these fights done?


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I count Al as a promoter. Hes just found a way to be one without being one.


Agreed, but it goes to your theory of it would be better if they were all under 1. Spence, Danny, Porter, Thurman, all under the same "promoter" but we can't get these fights done?


Well here it is. If there was no.competition.and they were all.under Al, he wouldnt baby them. These promoters baby these guys because they dont want them to leave. So nobody fighting anybody. These fighters got the promoters by the balls to a degree.

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PBC is trash.

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As a whole, pretty much. Al had an opportunity to do something special with it.


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I think if I were a young fighter coming up I would def go with top rank. If they would have me. They’re track record is incredible. Look at what Crawford and Loma are doing now. And of course, I would probably eventually split like Oscar, Floyd, and Mikey did. But what they did with those careers along with Pacqauio is amazing.


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