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A man with 20 championship defenses can’t be so easily dismissed


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Of course he has a chance, a punchers chance


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None. When GGG moves up in weight and or fights better comp than Canelo and Danny Jacobs, Ill give him more against Prime Roy.

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Why he gotta move up?! If he can make the weight, that’s fine. Hagler didn’t move up, and Hopkins only did cause Taylor ran him out


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Why he gotta move up?! If he can make the weight, that’s fine. Hagler didn’t move up, and Hopkins only did cause Taylor ran him out


Because moving up and dominating is proof of ability. GGG has more ability to prove if the fighters in question are two ATGs the caliber of Roy and Bernard -Primed.

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20 dam defenses is proof of ability, especially by KO. You can be great and be in the same division. Hagler and Monzon great examples of that. And right now we talking bout, at 160. That’s the topic question. And at 160, both Hopkins and Roy had questionable opposition as well.


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I dont care if its 160 or not. Great fighters move up and show and prove. If GGG further demonstrated skills and did it, i might be willing to give the nod in a 1 on 1 debate. You bring up Hagler, well you know what..? I dont think Hagler beats Hopkins or Roy!

Forgive me for moving onto playing the man instead of the ball, but I find it astonishing that you've migrated to these opinions about how great GGG is...when one fight ago these opinions werent present...and the only that has changed is that he knocked out a Jr MW coming off a 2 year vacation who only had a few weeks to get ready. It's a strange Ill starred configuration on your part.

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No I’m not crowning him, but he def deserves respect. 2 years or not Vanes was in shape and very experienced. I probably didn’t realize he was coming up on 20 defenses. I tend to respect those guys. Some guys win a belt and can’t make one defense, like Porter or Ali :lol:

Old school cats will tell you Hagler beats Roy and Hop on the same night lol but I don’t believe you have to go multiple weight classes to be great. You have to be great to be great.


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the disrespect or roy and hop smh.... ggg struggled with Jacobs and canelo...roy and hop fought at light heavy ggg was scaredofward at 168

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Ok, and Bernard needed two fight to clearly beat Echols and three fights against Robert Allen and two fights to clearly beat Mercado, we can play that struggle game back that way. Jacobs and Canelo are clearly better than those guys.

Roy got dropped by Lou del valle, but Golovkin can’t hurt him?! You saying Golovkin scared of a bigger fighter in Ward? Lol :kopfpatsch: who has never fought at 160. How you sound right now bro. If Ward was at 160 and GGG never fought him then you could say that


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does GGG beat the JT that handled Hopkins 2x?? Does anyone on Hops ledger during his MW streak beat GGG?? Also even though these fights happened at 170 vs Hops, Winky and Pavlik were damn good MWs. Does GGG beat MW versions of Kelly and Winky??

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does GGG beat the JT that handled Hopkins 2x?? Does anyone on Hops ledger during his MW streak beat GGG?? Also even though these fights happened at 170 vs Hops, Winky and Pavlik were damn good MWs. Does GGG beat MW versions of Kelly and Winky??


Lol I think he slumps over Taylor to be honest. Kelly and Winky Im not so sure about. The better MW streak is a close one, ive conceded that from jump. But I just need to see more from GGG at higher weights, or at the least against the other MWs now that the division is got before I put him over Hop one on one, or Roy. I like Jacobs, but he's been slumped before. And Canelo has been outboxed many a time before that draw. Those 2 wins arent going to be enough for me.

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Canelo outboxed many a time?? :eusa_think: :eusa_think: what you smokin??


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the disrespect or roy and hop smh....


you been disrespecting Hops since the ESPN board. :lol:

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Canelo outboxed many a time?? :eusa_think: :eusa_think: what you smokin??


Alright, twice. Happy? :lol: Both by smaller men. But he managed to outbox GGG the bigger stronger dude to a draw. So Canelo (who has been outboxed by smaller men) as a draw on GGG record is supposed to hold more value than clear victories on Hopkins resume? And Canelo draws with GGG, but Prime Hopkins or Prime Roy don't beat him head to head? What's next? Do Prime Roy and Prime Hop lose to Canelo? Like I said, this new cause that you've taken up is problematic broski.

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GGG is not the bigger stronger dude compared to Canelo and GGG definitely beat him.


carry on.

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Canelo got outboxed twice?! When that happen?? I seen a catchweight loss to TBE...the only time he’s been outboxed.

Ok, so JT can beat Hopkins twice but Canelo has no shot?! Lmao

Oscar can box on dam near even terms with Hop thru 8 rounds but Canelo has no shot ?


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Canelo got outboxed twice?! When that happen?? I seen a catchweight loss to TBE...the only time he’s been outboxed.

Ok, so JT can beat Hopkins twice but Canelo has no shot?! Lmao

Oscar can box on dam near even terms with Hop thru 8 rounds but Canelo has no shot ?


Lara did, albeit heavily on his bicycle. Oscar wasnt boxing on no even terms with Hop. Hop was playing with his food.

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GGG is not the bigger stronger dude compared to Canelo and GGG definitely beat him.


carry on.


I think he is. But im open to that opinion.

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Canelo got outboxed twice?! When that happen?? I seen a catchweight loss to TBE...the only time he’s been outboxed.

Ok, so JT can beat Hopkins twice but Canelo has no shot?! Lmao

Oscar can box on dam near even terms with Hop thru 8 rounds but Canelo has no shot ?

Trout Lara Floyd all out boxed him... popularity got him 2 wins

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the disrespect or roy and hop smh....


you been disrespecting Hops since the ESPN board. :lol:

Lol in comparison to Roy yup but aint no GGG finna get propped up over a great fighter like Hop and I hate him. What was ur ESPN name?

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Y’all straight trippin...Trout got dropped and schooled , his “0”taken in close but clear fashion, Lara is a lazy, stupid fighter who makes all fights closer than they need to be and that fight could have gon went either way, that’s not an out boxing. Those are also quality fighters.

You soul brothas stop hating on these white boys like Canelo and Loma and ggg. These boys are highly skilled and can fight.

Oscar had success on Hop, cause honestly hand speed and boxers trouble Hop. Like JT, Calzaghe, Roy, Sad Chad, brawlers and aggressive fighters tend to play to Hops favor like Tito, Glencoffe, and pascal.

So GGGs style favors Hop, but Canelo will control the center of the ring and that would be a close tit for tat kinda fight that Canelo would probably win controversial or closely.


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Oscar had success on Hop, cause honestly hand speed and boxers trouble Hop. Like JT, Calzaghe, Roy, Sad Chad, brawlers and aggressive fighters tend to play to Hops favor like Tito, Glencoffe, and pascal.

You're mentioning fights that all happened after Hopkins was 39 years old. I understand that's when most of his notable fights happened, as Hopkins Middleweight defense resume was as thin as Golovkin's, but it seems really disingenuous to compare a 47-year-old Hopkins that lost to Sad Chad to a prime anybody. Nearly everybody that beat Hopkins was 6 foot or taller (JT, Dawson, Kovalev, Smith, Calzaghe). Roy is the only exception, but that's because he was a prime Roy Jones Jr. Length is what gave Hopkins trouble. Canelo is a midget. Golovkin is 3 inches shorter than Hopkins. He schools them both.

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Hopkins was 2 and 3 inches taller than Roy, Calzaghe, and Oscar. And had inches in reach on all of them as well. Speed and style bothered him more IMO. It’s clear because Oscar was generally unscathed after 8 rounds with Hop whereas Tito had already taken a pounding. Length just further makes things problematic for Hop as they would anybody.

Hopkins always had that in and out style, diving in with hard shots, tying up, staying rough, and then getting out. Can’t do that with somebody like Canelo who will just react and throw flurries of combinations, whether landing or not and hop would likely lose a close, somewhat controversial decision. In a weak ass fight. Like he has before , several times (Roy, JT, Calzaghe and couldn’t really do shit to oscar )


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Ice, your whole argument is hanging on the rickety peg that's oscar, his business partner, who he was clearly taking it easy on, until he hit him in the "liver" under highly dubious circumstances. Canelo's style wilts when he's hit accurately in the face,has to deal with movement, and he has no answer for rough ups. Nor does GGG for that matter. Hopkins is a matchup nightmare for both. Dirty. Leads. And hard to hit with combos from outside and mid range. And stamina to boot. You're barking up the wrong tree. Hop would be boxing down on both guys, with range, strength, and timing advantages. And a prime roy is simply so much worse a match up.

As i said before, and ill starred view you've taken on, problematic like a motherfucker, which youve suddenly floated....from a win over Vanes.

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