2 questions.


160 in their prime, who wins??

whose consecutive streak is more impressive??

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I've thought about this. I dont know. I think Hops is a little better on the strength of Tito, DLFN, and Glen Johnson and some others. I think if you look at wins vs losses of opponents, it would probably favor Hop too. But I dont feel like Hop is far ahead though, might be because we are so far away from when Hop did it.

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1. Hopkins

2. Hopkins

I don't think its that close.

The fight itself is definitely close. Hopkins was super tough at 160, and mentally broke down people with his tactics. But a good jab would always give him some problems IMO... you see Taylor ended his reign and de la Hoya has some success...GGG has a great jab. Very interesting fight

Forgot the first question. Hopkins. Have to see more from GGG before I change my mind. Prime Hopkins is far superior to Jacobs and Canelo. Too slick, too tall, too much reach, too much movement, just too good. It would be competitive. But Hop takes it on the cards, and GGG and co complain about holding and dirty tactics after the match.

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can an argument be made that Jacobs and Canelo on the resume are better than Oscar and Tito simply because the former are actual MWs?? so if you suscribe to the notion that Hops 2 best defenses came against "blown up WWs" then the debate gets interesting.

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Hopkins and Hopkins. I din't think the fight is that close. I feel like time away has made people forget just how good Hop was. He ain't knocking GGG out or anything, but I think he frustrates GGG and comes away with a close decision.

so is the fight close or not?? you kind of said it both ways.

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I;m not allowed to change my mind mid sentence? LOL. I mean was, the streak is Hopkins, and its not close. The fight is still Hopkins, but its closer.

The blown up ww argument can apply to oscar, but not to Tito. Trinidad knocked out a legitimate middleweighg titlist before fighting Hop.

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GGG May have the edge is more impressive streak performance, due to most of his W’s coming by KO

I still would favor Hopkins slightly in a hypothetical matchup

i dont think you can say one was blown up but the other wasnt. They were both HOF WWs, did some things at JMW, and had rather forgetful short runs at MW.

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This is a valid point.

was the level of overall competition the same?? if Hops had better competition, im more impressed with tactical UDs over legit guys as opposed to KOs over guys like Rubio and Vanes.

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I believe that I can. Tito was better, and he performed better against bigger. Oscar did nothing at MW but beat Felix Sturm. But even that was a for a belt. Oscars was more forgetful than Trinidads, Ill give that.

I dont accept caling them blown up WWs though. You call Brook a blown up welterweight for the fact that he went from WW straight to MW to fight the MW champ, and lost, for one fight, with no move up prep....even skipping an entire weight class in the process. Tito and Oscar both moved up rather slow, and both themselves against legit jrMW's and middleweights before they fought Hopkins.

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agree to disagree. Manny is a blown up LW. As was JMM. Floyd could move up to 160, he'd be a blown up WW and he'd probably beat most legit MWs anyway. im not using it as a term to disparage Hops. Those are legit great wins. But it is what it is. They werent legit MWs IMO and did nothing of significance the little time they had up there.

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Your definition of blown up i suppose is just different than mine. Floyd and Manny to me were blown up fighters once upon a time. But once a fighter normalizes for a weight, they arent blown up to me at all. Floyd at WW once upon a time was a blown up jr WW. You could see him looking small for WW and then his body filling out.

At best, maybe you can call Tito and Oscar blown up Jr MWs, since they didnt really get a lot of fights in to normalize at MW. Dont underestimate that Titos Joppy win. Joppy was highly touted back then, and Tito was the only dude at MW, that stopped him. I call Tito a legit MW back then, he was making the weight, and putting dudes out, and he would have continued to do it...if he didnt get matched against the worst possible style matchup.

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Tito had 1 fight at middle, as did Oscar. So yes they were not true middleweights. Still solid wins for Hop. And don’t forget, Hop fought his first fight at 175.

Hops opposition at 160 was nothing to scream about. morrad hakkar fight led to a legendary exchange between him and Larry merchant lol Robert Allen 3 times, etc.

This is a good debate.

Hopkins mauls him

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i debated hops opposition for years but gggs comp is worse. u think ggg survives roy? hell retarded dirty antuan Echols guves him hell as does glen Johnson and taylor. hop has a jab is bigger and is dirty

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Aneed always shitted on Bernard but of course in this debate Bernard will destroy GGG and even bum ass nobody Antwan Echols gives GGG hell

Bernard’s jab ain’t fuckin with GGG’s , and with Roys China chin who knows what would happen with him and GGG, though I favor both him and hop over GGG, ain’t no “mauling” or “surviving “ type ass whoopings. GGG was a hell of an amateur, has great skills and a sturdy chin. I think both Roy and Bernard would have their hands full.

Oh Lord...

Can we get GGG at a weight higher than MW before we start saying he could beat fuckin Roy Jones...??? Did you see GGG struggle with Canelo? Prime Roy would have fucked his ass shut. Prime Hop would have had him complaining to the ref. Since I respect GGG's chin, both of those fights go 12.

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Hop has complained to the ref as well, GGG May have him faking an injury or saying he got pushed out the ring

I never said he’d beat Roy..but Roy chin was suspect and GGG would have been the biggest puncher he had fought. Yes I feel GGG struggled with Canelo, others feel he won a convincing decision, I believe you were one of them. But Canelo, especially on roids ain’t no joke.. that’s more a testament to how good Canelo is and how GGG style plays into Canelo strengths

Cant believe im in here defending Roy. GGG has no chance against Prime Roy. None.

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