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So Wilder now gets a pass to refuse next ranked challenge because 'he's only being offered 3 times more than any previous purse'?? You can't compare the UK Whyte market to the AJ market. Looks like a duck.


:kopfpatsch: Pay him properly and there will be no need to go down the road of irrationally accusing him of ducking. Its not complicated. You cant compare the US market to the UK market to the AJ Market. The AJ market is large. The US market is tiny. The UK market is in the middle. So pay wilder properly for that middle. 3 mil is trying to scuttle the fight. He's not some chump. He is the second best HW in the world and one half of the superfight, and is coming over the water. Pay him 5 at least.



You don't remotely know how much the Whyte Wilder fight is worth, but give Wilder a pass to refuse the fight on the basis of not getting $7 million (7 times more that hes ever earned). Where's the logic in that?


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So Wilder now gets a pass to refuse next ranked challenge because 'he's only being offered 3 times more than any previous purse'?? You can't compare the UK Whyte market to the AJ market. Looks like a duck.


:kopfpatsch: Pay him properly and there will be no need to go down the road of irrationally accusing him of ducking. Its not complicated. You cant compare the US market to the UK market to the AJ Market. The AJ market is large. The US market is tiny. The UK market is in the middle. So pay wilder properly for that middle. 3 mil is trying to scuttle the fight. He's not some chump. He is the second best HW in the world and one half of the superfight, and is coming over the water. Pay him 5 at least.



You don't remotely know how much the Whyte AJ fight is worth, but give Wilder a pass to refuse the fight on the basis of not getting $7 million (7 times more that hes ever earned). Where's the logic in that?


I do know that AJ back when he fought Whyte, 4 fights before he even fought Wlad, wasnt as significant as Wilder as a player in the sport now, and AJ got 4 million and whatever unnamed sponsorship related stuff. They arent offering any sponsor stuff to Wilder.

So ya, 3 mil is a joke. its less than AJ was getting, significantly less, and before AJ was close to what he is now, and back then AJ wasnt even holding one of the real heavyweight titles in that Whyte fight.

Start the offer at 5 mil, otherwise you're not serious about getting Wilder over there. Fair market wage given the environment where its happening, and the significance of the fighter.

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The logic is simple, Wilder's standing as a true HW titlist and legit challenger to AJ makes him deserving of more than a mere 3 mil. 7 may be a bit much, but 3 is definitely too low, but I dont see you complaining about the 3, just the 7, which is indicative of your bias here. Logic isnt the best thing to claim when you're clearly biased.

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So Wilder now gets a pass to refuse next ranked challenge because 'he's only being offered 3 times more than any previous purse'?? You can't compare the UK Whyte market to the AJ market. Looks like a duck.


:kopfpatsch: Pay him properly and there will be no need to go down the road of irrationally accusing him of ducking. Its not complicated. You cant compare the US market to the UK market to the AJ Market. The AJ market is large. The US market is tiny. The UK market is in the middle. So pay wilder properly for that middle. 3 mil is trying to scuttle the fight. He's not some chump. He is the second best HW in the world and one half of the superfight, and is coming over the water. Pay him 5 at least.



You don't remotely know how much the Whyte AJ fight is worth, but give Wilder a pass to refuse the fight on the basis of not getting $7 million (7 times more that hes ever earned). Where's the logic in that?


I do know that AJ back when he fought Whyte, 4 fights before he even fought Wlad, wasnt as significant as Wilder as a player in the sport now, and AJ got 4 million and whatever unnamed sponsorship related stuff. They arent offering any sponsor stuff to Wilder.

So ya, 3 mil is a joke. its less than AJ was getting, significantly less, and before AJ was close to what he is now, and back then AJ wasnt even holding one of the real heavyweight titles in that Whyte fight.

Start the offer at 5 mil, otherwise you're not serious about getting Wilder over there. Fair market wage given the environment where its happening, and the significance of the fighter.


But Wilder doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the table financially. A fighters worth is based on what the audience will pay. Even back when he fought Whyte, AJ was selling out the O2 and generating $10 million in PPV. I can guarantee Wilder won't bring in anywhere near as much as that, but is pricing himself out by demanding 3 million MORE than AJ got paid. That's not logical. It's a duck!


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But Wilder doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the table financially. A fighters worth is based on what the audience will pay. Even back when he fought Whyte, AJ was selling out the O2 and generating $10 million in PPV. I can guarantee Wilder won't bring in anywhere near as much as that, but is pricing himself out by demanding 3 million MORE than AJ got paid. That's not logical. It's a duck!


You cant guarantee anything. They know who Wilder is in the UK, his name is piggy backing off of AJ as it is right now. Either you pay him rightly, and write it as a cost of doing the future huge business against AJ, or you dont and you never get the huge business. As far as the money goes, that makes a lot more sense than the side that you are pulling for. You're just in to irrationally call people duckers, and 20 posts in you've yet to do different. Lol. Pay a CHAMPION properly and he'll take a fight.

And you STILL think 3 mil is fair. That's about as illogical as it gets, a tad less illogical than insinuating that Wilder purposely and secretly signed to fight secret drug cheats so he can get out of those fights solely for the purpose of beating his chest.

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But Wilder doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the table financially. A fighters worth is based on what the audience will pay. Even back when he fought Whyte, AJ was selling out the O2 and generating $10 million in PPV. I can guarantee Wilder won't bring in anywhere near as much as that, but is pricing himself out by demanding 3 million MORE than AJ got paid. That's not logical. It's a duck!


You cant guarantee anything. They know who Wilder is in the UK, his name is piggy backing off of AJ as it is right now. Either you pay him rightly, and write it as a cost of doing the future huge business against AJ, or you dont and you never get the huge business. As far as the money goes, that makes a lot more sense than the side that you are pulling for. You're just in to irrationally call people duckers, and 20 posts in you've yet to do different. Lol. Pay a CHAMPION properly and he'll take a fight.

And you STILL think 3 mil is fair. That's about as illogical as it gets, a tad less illogical than insinuating that Wilder purposely and secretly signed to fight secret drug cheats so he can get out of those fights solely for the purpose of beating his chest.


You can guarantee Wilder will fight a bum. What's more irrational, offering to pay someone 3 times their biggest ever purse to fight a gatekeeper, or someone demanding 7 times as much? 39 fights yet fanboys still being conned.


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Maybe you tow the line for the promoters. Did you think Spence was ducking Cotto for not signing into an agreement with Golden Boy opposed to using his leverage as a fighter for better opportunities?

Heres the cold hard logic. Wilder is one half of the most important heavyweight super fight since Tyson Lewis. That's what you call leverage. But because he's getting the raw deal in the US, you think he should NOT use his leverage in this situation and get paid more than he does in the US??? So what you call logic, I call stupidity...and so would any business minded individual!!

As half the part of this potential super fight, Eddie Hearn should be kissing his damn ass, not offering bottom basement money offers. Because (more cold hard logic) the super fight doesnt happen without Deontay Wilder.

If Eddie wants that super fight, he'll find that extra 4 mil, and tell Wilder that Joshua will be waiting in the winds.

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But Wilder doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the table financially. A fighters worth is based on what the audience will pay. Even back when he fought Whyte, AJ was selling out the O2 and generating $10 million in PPV. I can guarantee Wilder won't bring in anywhere near as much as that, but is pricing himself out by demanding 3 million MORE than AJ got paid. That's not logical. It's a duck!


You cant guarantee anything. They know who Wilder is in the UK, his name is piggy backing off of AJ as it is right now. Either you pay him rightly, and write it as a cost of doing the future huge business against AJ, or you dont and you never get the huge business. As far as the money goes, that makes a lot more sense than the side that you are pulling for. You're just in to irrationally call people duckers, and 20 posts in you've yet to do different. Lol. Pay a CHAMPION properly and he'll take a fight.

And you STILL think 3 mil is fair. That's about as illogical as it gets, a tad less illogical than insinuating that Wilder purposely and secretly signed to fight secret drug cheats so he can get out of those fights solely for the purpose of beating his chest.


You can guarantee Wilder will fight a bum. What's more irrational, offering to pay someone 3 times their biggest ever purse to fight a gatekeeper, or someone demanding 7 times as much? 39 fights yet fanboys still being conned.


The super fight cant happen without him, thats called leverage. So you can see it in shorter terms, wiser people are thinking in the long, and so should Wilder.

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But Wilder doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the table financially. A fighters worth is based on what the audience will pay. Even back when he fought Whyte, AJ was selling out the O2 and generating $10 million in PPV. I can guarantee Wilder won't bring in anywhere near as much as that, but is pricing himself out by demanding 3 million MORE than AJ got paid. That's not logical. It's a duck!


You cant guarantee anything. They know who Wilder is in the UK, his name is piggy backing off of AJ as it is right now. Either you pay him rightly, and write it as a cost of doing the future huge business against AJ, or you dont and you never get the huge business. As far as the money goes, that makes a lot more sense than the side that you are pulling for. You're just in to irrationally call people duckers, and 20 posts in you've yet to do different. Lol. Pay a CHAMPION properly and he'll take a fight.

And you STILL think 3 mil is fair. That's about as illogical as it gets, a tad less illogical than insinuating that Wilder purposely and secretly signed to fight secret drug cheats so he can get out of those fights solely for the purpose of beating his chest.


You can guarantee Wilder will fight a bum. What's more irrational, offering to pay someone 3 times their biggest ever purse to fight a gatekeeper, or someone demanding 7 times as much? 39 fights yet fanboys still being conned.


The super fight cant happen without him, thats called leverage. So you can see it in shorter terms, wiser people are thinking in the long, and so should Wilder.


They've been playing the long game for 39 fights. I'm out gotta work.


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Shiiid, this might be the longest thread on HW's in BHO's history, LOL


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Shiiid, this might be the longest thread on HW's in BHO's history, LOL


Shit got out of hand. I like to use the term ducking as much as the next person, but I wont stand for its use here, or the rationale that Wilder should basically fight for pennies and not use his fucking leverage....en route to being KTFO by Joshua.

Btw, I saw the NO of Stiverne.....sweet merciful Lord....

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Im saying its a good thing. There has not been this much buzz around the HW division in a LONG time. When was the last time a HW could even come close to being accused of ducking? Wlad held the strap for so long, and the division was so weak for so long that nobody cared, and that's bad for the sport.


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Shiiid, this might be the longest thread on HW's in BHO's history, LOL


Shit got out of hand. I like to use the term ducking as much as the next person, but I wont stand for its use here, or the rationale that Wilder should basically fight for pennies and not use his fucking leverage....en route to being KTFO by Joshua.

Btw, I saw the NO of Stiverne.....sweet merciful Lord....



He was nowhere to be found in the ring that night.


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http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/11/hearn-well-pay-deontay-wilder-hes-worth/

Eddie Hearn pretty much admits everything that I said. Hearn will either try to say that Wilder priced himself out, or he'll inevitably cave to Wilders leverage, because even though he doesnt compare to Joshua as a draw, he's still half of the super fight. So ya, Hearn, you'll have to pay him what would be considered an overpay if you're only taking into account drawing power.

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There is so much money to be made in this fight that everyones gonna get fed.


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There is so much money to be made in this fight that everyones gonna get fed.


Exactly, far too much to be trying to pinch pennies out of a HW fucking champion! This is a two fight plan. Pay him the gahdamn 7 mil that he's asking for, and then pay him double in the big fight. There will be so much money made in the end, everybody will be smiling! Including Eddies greedy ass! Selfish cunt!

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There is so much money to be made in this fight that everyones gonna get fed.


Exactly, far too much to be trying to pinch pennies out of a HW fucking champion! This is a two fight plan. Pay him the gahdamn 7 mil that he's asking for, and then pay him double in the big fight. There will be so much money made in the end, everybody will be smiling! Including Eddies greedy ass! Selfish cunt!


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Hearn sitting down with Finkel and Haymon next week to discuss the fight. :thumbup:

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Hearn sitting down with Finkel and Haymon next week to discuss the fight. :thumbup:


Lets get it done man. 1 fight each with a guarantee to fight eachother after that if they both win.


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Yup, put them on the same PPV in the UK. Then after Joshua beats his bum, Wilder can get in the ring, do the faceoff, talk some shit, have them drunken Brits go nuts, and that shit will sell overwhelmlingly!!

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Yup, put them on the same PPV in the UK. Then after Joshua beats his bum, Wilder can get in the ring, do the faceoff, talk some shit, have them drunken Brits go nuts, and that shit will sell overwhelmlingly!!



That probably won't happen, but schedule the fights in the UK close together. A week apart! We still get that faceoff.

Pull some WWE shit like they did with GGG-Canelo with one of them making a ring walk after the fight is over to confront the other.


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Those Brits eat that shit up. Fury and Wilder faced off in the ring and that didnt even go anywhere. This shit is guaranteed. Add some pre planned shoving and some "dont hold me backs". Lol

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Those Brits eat that shit up. Fury and Wilder faced off in the ring and that didnt even go anywhere. This shit is guaranteed. Add some pre planned shoving and some "dont hold me backs". Lol


Which is why the fight should not happen next, but 1 after.


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Wilders the one who started the ducking nonsense leading me to believe he’s playing a miss direction game. He only called out AJ on the weekend but is acting like it’s been dragged out for years. If he really wants the fight it gets made. I think he’s a con job who wants to keep making easy money KOing bums and predict his next 3 fights will be Breazeale, Bellew, Fury


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