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they were utterly determined for Joshua to fight a sloppy fat guy. they originally offered the fight to Luis Ortiz for less money than what they offered the far less dangerous and far less accomplished Big Druggie Miller.

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squash match at its finest.


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they were utterly determined for Joshua to fight a sloppy fat guy. they originally offered the fight to Luis Ortiz for less money than what they offered the far less dangerous and far less accomplished Big Druggie Miller.


Here comes the Wilder propaganda crew cut the BS. They offered Ortiz 7 Million! Ortiz manager even admits his 'promoter' dropped the ball trying holding out for more but it's all very shady, Ortiz must be in the middle of a cycle or Al has him pinned for Wilder again.


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I wanna know the ortiz story. Chrisb....post some proof man. Because i heard they lowballed Ortiz.

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im anti Wilder since he ducked Joshua but please continue.

i didnt see anything besides the initial report that they originally offered Ortiz more than a mil less than Miller. I'll gladly be willing to read any other article stating for a fact they offered 1 mil more than what they offered Miller. but i will say its pretty common at this point for every damn potential opponent of Joshua to claim they been lowballed. they actually came well enough for both Wilder and Miller but obviously we know the story there.

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Ya thats where i am. A mil less for ortiz is a fucking lowball. Pay him the same money...hell hes an ex champ and deserves more. Im not rating or watching a fuckin squash match like ruiz jr. I only just found out that the asshole has a son.

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I wanna know the ortiz story. Chrisb....post some proof man. Because i heard they lowballed Ortiz.


Here's Eddie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Eaz25NrTk&t=2081s

Here's a good summary of Jiminez interview on the boxing voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfjSuE9MY1A


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Ya thats where i am. A mil less for ortiz is a fucking lowball. Pay him the same money...hell hes an ex champ and deserves more. Im not rating or watching a fuckin squash match like ruiz jr. I only just found out that the asshole has a son.



7 Mill is what Miller was offered. It wasn't a lowball offer. Jay Jiminez agreed this


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Here it is from the horses mouth.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcgZ0IXlmkk


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6.5 for Miller. almost 7. no rounding up. :lol:


Ortiz deserves more than Miller.

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6.5 for Miller. almost 7. no rounding up. :lol:


Ortiz deserves more than Miller.



Come on man, 7 million to fight for 4 belts at 41 yo - when AJ's been preparing for an Orthodox fighter. That's not low ball, he only got paid $500 K for Wilder fight. There's only two reasons Ortiz didn't take this, he's either in a cycle or Al threatened revoking his visa and packing him off back to Cuba. Word is Wilders next two fights have been set - Ortiz then Kowanacki


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from my understanding Ortiz wanted 10 they offered 7. 10 sounds reasonable given what Miller was gonna get. and Ortiz thought he had leverage considering he was the only credible fighter in the running. he was wrong.

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its possible he was being steered towards a Wilder rematch anyway.

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Either way, its a squash match not worth my time. Until or unless the top 3 are fighting each other, I just don't care.


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Dude. I dont give a fuck who Jay Jiminez is. I dont even know who the fuck he is. Jermz watches boxing. Jermz says 7 mil for Ortiz is a fucking lowball. Ortiz is a top 5 fucking heavyweight. They should have been fighting him in the first place having not got the wilder fight. But they went for big babys fat cheating ass because they knew it was easier and that they could pay him less. That shit backfires....so they only pay him 500k extra???? Get the fuck out of here with that garbage.

If 500k extra was what hes worth...they would have went that route in the first place....its a fucking lowball. And it only reinforces the fact that joshua and wilder...both sides are doing dumb shit to fuck business up. Ive had enough of both of them.

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Management greed or deliberate avoidance. From what Jiminez is saying Ortiz said yes to $5million - so his 'promoters' have screwed his family out their biggest ever payday. Whats he gonna get for a Wilder rematch, it won't come close. Thing is you have to question why the fuck Ortiz didn't speak out and make the decision himself, which leads me to think he's on the juice


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All that tells me is Hearn is in the business of lowballing people.

Sorry. This is bullshit. Not watching anymore of AJ or wilders fights unless they fight top 5 guyz...or each other. They need to be boycotted.

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Dude. I dont give a fuck who Jay Jiminez is. I dont even know who the fuck he is. Jermz watches boxing. Jermz says 7 mil for Ortiz is a fucking lowball. Ortiz is a top 5 fucking heavyweight. They should have been fighting him in the first place having not got the wilder fight. But they went for big babys fat cheating ass because they knew it was easier and that they could pay him less. That shit backfires....so they only pay him 500k extra???? Get the fuck out of here with that garbage.

If 500k extra was what hes worth...they would have went that route in the first place....its a fucking lowball. And it only reinforces the fact that joshua and wilder...both sides are doing dumb shit to fuck business up. Ive had enough of both of them.


Ok, because you say so, even when Ortiz own manager agrees it wasn't low ball. He got $500 K vs Wilder FFS! I'm sick and tired of debating finances, when the bottom line is they're all ducking AJ or trying to get an unfair advantage.

Lets see if this plays out to be a good business decision for Ortiz. I highly doubt it, but I know it'll be good for Haymon.


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All that tells me is Hearn is in the business of lowballing people.

Sorry. This is bullshit. Not watching anymore of AJ or wilders fights unless they fight top 5 guyz...or each other. They need to be boycotted.



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I dont need to take that lousy information from Ortiz management. Its not even arguable that Ortiz is more valueable than Miller. Quite literally twice the fighter he is. But they offer the guy 5 mil? Sorry man. You believe whatever you like. You cosign Eddie Hearns bullshit.

Just because a guy never got 5 mil before doesnt make it a good offer. There is no point debating finances with you if you believe that trash.

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All that tells me is Hearn is in the business of lowballing people.

Sorry. This is bullshit. Not watching anymore of AJ or wilders fights unless they fight top 5 guyz...or each other. They need to be boycotted.



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One thing we can agree on. Although I'll still watch AJ beacuse it don't cost lol


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All that tells me is Hearn is in the business of lowballing people.

Sorry. This is bullshit. Not watching anymore of AJ or wilders fights unless they fight top 5 guyz...or each other. They need to be boycotted.



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One thing we can agree on. Although I'll still watch AJ beacuse it don't cost lol


Lol true i dont pay for any of this shit :hearty-laugh:

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I dont need to take that lousy information from Ortiz management. Its not even arguable that Ortiz is more valueable than Miller. Quite literally twice the fighter he is. But they offer the guy 5 mil? Sorry man. You believe whatever you like. You cosign Eddie Hearns bullshit.

Just because a guy never got 5 mil before doesnt make it a good offer. There is no point debating finances with you if you believe that trash.


You're off the mark Jermz. Ortiz got no belts and doesn't have a zero. He's not worth more than the undefeated AMERICAN Miller was for AJ's US debut, especially when giving him the added opportunity of catching AJ unprepared for a southpaw.


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I dont need to take that lousy information from Ortiz management. Its not even arguable that Ortiz is more valueable than Miller. Quite literally twice the fighter he is. But they offer the guy 5 mil? Sorry man. You believe whatever you like. You cosign Eddie Hearns bullshit.

Just because a guy never got 5 mil before doesnt make it a good offer. There is no point debating finances with you if you believe that trash.


You're off the mark Jermz. Ortiz got no belts and doesn't have a zero. He's not worth more than the undefeated AMERICAN Miller was for AJ's US debut, especially when giving him the added opportunity of catching AJ unprepared for a southpaw.


Naw dude. Ortiz has done more. He's a former champ. Miller has a resume full of nobodies, and the only loss being to Wilder, a fight he was winning until he was stopped late. There is no argument where pedigree is concerned. Miller has never been a champ. Ortiz was the WBC Champ.

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I dont need to take that lousy information from Ortiz management. Its not even arguable that Ortiz is more valueable than Miller. Quite literally twice the fighter he is. But they offer the guy 5 mil? Sorry man. You believe whatever you like. You cosign Eddie Hearns bullshit.

Just because a guy never got 5 mil before doesnt make it a good offer. There is no point debating finances with you if you believe that trash.


You're off the mark Jermz. Ortiz got no belts and doesn't have a zero. He's not worth more than the undefeated AMERICAN Miller was for AJ's US debut, especially when giving him the added opportunity of catching AJ unprepared for a southpaw.


Naw dude. Ortiz has done more. He's a former champ. Miller has a resume full of nobodies, and the only loss being to Wilder, a fight he was winning until he was stopped late. There is no argument where pedigree is concerned. Miller has never been a champ. Ortiz was the WBC Champ.


I agree Ortiz is the better fighter and it's the fight true fans wanted, but that don't make him worth more financially when selling to the casuals


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