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point taken. I just dont get the hate for free boxing.... the shit is free on regular channels.

I get that, but I think that might be partially why it rubs people the wrong way, like it's a great opportunity being wasted. Especially when they've done stuff like Broner vs. Porter, where there was actually debate here on who would win. It's like, they can do more of that, but they choose not to, so it seems like some old guard shit.

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you're the one telling blatant lies about boxing fans treating Arum/Oscar like a Teddy Ruxpin because you want to paint some imaginary race issue. You actually said people didn't complain about Cotto-Jennings and those Chavez squash matches. Do you know how insane that statement is?? People don't hate Oscar?? really?? :rofl:

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People who think Haymon is good for boxing are nothing but fucking morons.


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you're the one telling blatant lies about boxing fans treating Arum/Oscar like a Teddy Ruxpin because you want to paint some imaginary race issue. You actually said people didn't complain about Cotto-Jennings and those Chavez squash matches. Do you know how insane that statement is?? People don't hate Oscar?? really?? :rofl:



u dont get it and will reuse to dismiss what Im saying. I know what I see. The level of venom is different

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I swear Aneed is the Farrukhan of the Hideout. This dude is always about the race war when in fact it has nothing to do with it. Arum is jew. He is probably hated more in boxing Than any other person. Oscar has his fill of hate spewed on him. Al may be new but he is doing the same shit cards as fnf which was free tv as well. In fact PBC cards might be even a level below those fnf cards. He getting shit on cause he said change was coming. Fans ain't stupid. We see right thru his money grub.

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The change is happening... fighters getting paid more and boxing is on free tv. this is in under 1 year and a half.... Folk are just impatient. He is signing dmn near every fighter... the matchups are coming outside of cold war situations. HBO doesnt fuck with him that will have to change

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No they aren't you idiot

Ima come thru ur computer screen like ghost dad and slap the shit outta u lol

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great point about Haymon signing damn near every fighter. That's what makes it so painful.

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No they aren't you idiot

Ima come thru ur computer screen like ghost dad and slap the shit outta u lol



Quillin turned down a career high payday. Haymon hasn't made it up to him.
Adrien Broner turned down a huge contract from Roc Nation. Now look at him. You're delusional if you think Haymon is looking out for his fighters' best interests.


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There were also quite a few people saying that Haymon would put his top guys against each other once he had his own platform. It all made sense as to why he wasn't matching his guys on Showtime. Well, its been almost the same thing on PBC, so those who called it are gloating in the faces of those who swore PBC would be great fights because it was Al's own platform.

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No they aren't you idiot

Ima come thru ur computer screen like ghost dad and slap the shit outta u lol



Quillin turned down a career high payday. Haymon hasn't made it up to him.
Adrien Broner turned down a huge contract from Roc Nation. Now look at him. You're delusional if you think Haymon is looking out for his fighters' best interests.

Let's add a few more.
Thurman: Can't land a big name.
Adonis.: Still fighting nobodies while Kova is cleaning out the division.
Khan: 4 years and still waiting for Floyd while avoiding Brook.
Fortuna: 28 fights in and still fighting bums.

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idk wat dudes complaining about! pbc has produced some great fights.
broner-porter on nbc,garcia-lamont,andre dirrell-degale,khan-algeri was on spike!
thats 4 really good matchups right there man wat dudes want? u cant have those fights all the time on pbc.hbo had garcia-salka and broner against rees and litzau for godsakes :lol:
garcia paulie was better than all 3 of those matchups man give me a break.

pbc also had fortuna-vasquez that was a great matchup with 2 good fighters!
thurman fought collazo and ghost on pbc...figeroa-burns,lee-quillen,jack-dirrell,stevonson bika!
than this weekend u got tarver-cunningham and at the end of the month santa cruz-mares.
personally i love pbc as a boxing fan idk about yall :lol:

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point taken. I just dont get the hate for free boxing.... the shit is free on regular channels.


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No they aren't you idiot

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Im for the PBC and Aneed has a right to fee how he feels. Haymon being sued all over the place oh uea they are definitely mad at him.

The pBc has been putting on good fights alof with the shit ones and they are all free. I like the contrast of channels and days. Porter-broner, peterson-garcia were supposed to be good fights but mothafuckas didnt show up.

That pbc on spike card Berto was on was classic. Berto Josesito, porter some south american banana picker and Arreola in a fight of his life against a truck driver. That may have been the best action card all year, featuring the great Antonio Tarver and fri ends doing the commentary. Best team out there. Tarver Cunningham in a few weeks should be good.

War PBC!!


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But for real....the race angle is just bullshit and more a feeling about Aneed's world view....nothing about Al being black is causing the uproar.


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V I'm telling u how I feel about it and how a lot of other black folk feel. I'm just confident and comfortable speaking on it. Folk to pc and get offended instead of having healthy dialogue. My perspective is gonna be different than urs.

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I think it's pretty presumptuous to say that race is not at all a factor in hate coming from a wide variety of people, much like it's audacious to say that it's everything. That's an awful lot of people and opinions to swear on. It's probably somewhere in the middle. Gruber made some solid points though! The lawsuit I will say, got absolutely nothing to do with race.

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if you're going to make it about race, you better come better than saying ''people didn't rip Oscar and Arum for doing the same thing.'' You don't have credibility on the matter when you make up blatant lies because they sound great for your argument, if it were true. So where is the proof of a race issue outside of the blatant lies about Oscar and Arum not getting the same treatment, which they did?? Im sure Aneed blamed race when Broner was getting ripped for soft comp, but no one in boxing gets ripped more for soft comp than Leo Santa Cruz, a Mexican. You gotta come with it on the logic side if you gonna make it about race, and not with some nonsense that gets disproven quickly and effortlessly by multiple people.

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Might as well say that MY criticism of PBC is about race, which would sound fucking ludicrous to anyone who is familiar with me here.

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Might as well say that MY criticism of PBC is about race, which would sound fucking ludicrous to anyone who is familiar with me here.


Well we know you, right?

Saying that its all about race, all of the criticism out there, is just as bad as saying, none of it is about race. Aneed usually does the extreme (heck me and him went at it on fb when he dropped the race card about Chip Kelly :lol: ), but it doesnt mean that there isnt some truth there.

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what gives you the idea that its about race?? the fact that Haymon is black?? is that all?? Because Oscar and Arum weren't black and they got criticized the same exact way for the same exact reason. So boxing has pretty much proven that guys who are responsible for making fights, and don't make the ones fans want to see, will get criticized, whether they are black, Jew, or Mexican.

So if you want to take a general life view of it and say that racism exists and more so for blacks, then yea, its true. But specifically talking about boxing and the type of criticism certain guys get for certain things they do, then no in this case race isn't worth mentioning. Despite the fact that there may be some people who hate Haymon because he is black, because they are naturally racist and hate all blacks. That is not the issue being discussed.

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Is it possible Al is a negro hymie? :shock:
Then I'd really dislike that fucker. :evil:
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Despite the fact that there may be some people who hate Haymon because he is black, because they are naturally racist and hate all blacks. That is not the issue being discussed.


Thats how Aneed is seeing it, and I think it's dismissive to say that he's wrong? Those same fans would be saying something different with haymon wasn't black, and that's what I see Aneed putting out there, albeit maybe in a more extreme sense.

Hey look, I wasn't paying attention when Arum and Oscar were getting blasted, so I have no idea about the quantity of the outrage. Gruber says it's equal, and he is a pretty reputable source for me. But no matter how reputable, I'm not going to just take his word completely as fact. I do know that there is a shit ton of hate thrown toward free fucking boxing, and toward the black guy putting it on, and I don't believe that the entirety of boxing fandom is devoid of racism.

It's whatever, I didnt want to really get into this because of the fact that it cant be quantified...nor can it be solidly qualified. I just didnt like Aneed getting piled on for this particular application of the race card :P

PBC needs to do better, and I'm hopeful that they do.

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